Grandma Linux

I'd like to cover the user-friendliness aspect. The biggest arguments is, is that linux based OSes are not so easy that even grandma could use them. Well isn't that nice. Sorry grandma, but you have been reduced to the lowest denominator of PC users.

Most over the really solid arguments come from linux supporters. Now I do mean supporters and not fanatics. Although they do exist in every camp whether it be Windows, Linux, MacOS, or what not.

Supporters claim that most "grandmas" will simply use whatever OS you present in front of them and will usually have trouble with it anyway. Microsoft attempts to make Windows even easier for old granny. This usually just pisses off more experienced users.

I don't think it's granmda's fault. More likely it's your fault. For the most of these people surfing the web, e-mail/chat, and word processing are really the only things they'll use a computer for.

That's where Internet Computers come in. Apple really hasn't gone for the dumbed down idiot boxes. They consider the Mac to be an experience not another appliance in your home. Many in the linux community think computers are computers. The whole digital hub thing is nice but essentially it's a computer. Microsoft on the other hand is focusing on making the computer just another applicance.

Microsoft's idea is great but not as good as Apple's. Apple's philosophy is that all your devices should work seamlessly (or better than on a PC). Microsoft's idea is that every device should be integrate into the PC. This relly sucks if you TV/PC/DVD player/electronic girlfriend craps out on ya. Oh well, I guess your dumb ass will just have to read a book.

Well let's get back to Internet Appliances. Microsoft hopes that it's MSN Companion will allow people to become more comfortable with a computer. With a lack of any real storage space you can't save anything. I guess you could opt for everything to be saved at Microsoft. I mean that is one of the features of .NET isn't it? Essentially every computer becomes dumb. Sorry Microsoft but will all the goings on, and security holes, I don't feel comfortable with you holding all my financial information and profile. And one more thing. The MSN Companion has a screen that is really shit small. So my question is, what friggin moron thought it would be cool to include a wireless infra-red keyboard?

The other offering is OEone's Internet Computer. It's a computer that's been scaled down so that anyone can use. Yep, even if you're not familiar with...linux. The Internet computer is a computer unlike the MSN companion. It offers the ability to do most of what grandma's use a computer for a much more. Anyone who is a little scared about working with linux will be surprised to learn that everything is done with a simply point and CLICK! In fact it's so simply to use many people won't even know it runs linux. That is unless you tell them. Of course like always, grandma will still have trouble with it.

To read more about the Internet Computer read the review below.
Linux for people who think an iMac is hard to use.

	What is this shit? (5.00 / 2) (#1)
	by Yoshi on Sat Jan 12th, 2002 at 11:26:54 PM PST

	You've got to be kidding me. Grandmother using Linux? Yeah, right. I'll just tell my grandmother to "RTFM" when she realizes she has to "recompile" her "kernel" to get her fucking usb "camera" to work in the "operating system." Well, here's news for you, buddy. It'll be a cold day in hell when I tell my grandmother to ever waste her time with your open sauce bullshit. I don't care if she's a fucking CS undergrad, there is no place for that junk at my grandmother's house. The FBI raiding her house for posessing the illegal hacker codes is just something that my family doesn't need. Imagine the look on your grandmother's face the day that you have to tell her that her "win"modem won't work because linix programmers are sorry assed pieces of shit who attach labels to hardware devices so they don't have to take blame for not supporting. "Win"modems, now I guess they've got "win"mice and "win"printers, it's just more terminology from the Communists who can't figure out how to illegally hack their sauce code.

	read before you post (1.00 / 1) (#3)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 12:38:10 AM PST

	Did you bother to read the review of the Internet Computer before you shot off your mouth? Yeah, right. I'll just tell my grandmother to "RTFM" when she realizes she has to "recompile" her "kernel" to get her fucking usb "camera" to work in the "operating system." First off we're talking about the lowest "denominator" when referring to grandma. These people don't know a digital camera from their ass. The FBI raiding her house for posessing the illegal hacker codes is just something that my family doesn't need. Please provide a link to news about the FBI raiding someones house for using linux. And please provide a second source to back it up. You people are so dumb. You think just because it's open source it's illegal or stolen. Gee maybe the FBI should shut down Yahoo! It runApache on FreeBSD. Imagine the look on your grandmother's face the day that you have to tell her that her "win"modem won't work because linix programmers are sorry assed pieces of shit who attach labels to hardware devices so they don't have to take blame for not supporting. Winmodem is a term that manufacturers use. Look at the web sites of most manufacturer. Many have stopped developing winmodems. I think the developer have done rather well developing drivers with no help from the manufacturer. Like to see the boy at Microsoft do that. Plug a USB device into a Mac. Is it guarenteed to work? Besides the Internet Computer comes with a modem dumbass as well as an ethernet port. WinModem is really just half a modem -- a card with a DSP and a phone jack, but none of the usual telecommunications chips on board. Instead, it uses the system processor(s) to do all of the hard work. The catch is that it utilizes Windows-specific API calls to accomplish its task. Because this hardware is not operating system-agnostic, it can't be made to work under BeOS or Linux, or under any other x86 operating system, for that matter. You likely use many electronic devices which do not use any software (even embedded) from MS. PDAs for example may utilize PalmOS, Linux or Windows Embedded or other proprietary OS. Would you tell someone not to buy a PDA because it might use PalmOS or Linux? Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	feeding the trolls (3.66 / 3) (#20)
	by Yoshi on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 11:01:13 AM PST

	They have sites devoted to your trolling efforts so you don't have to fuck around with this site. First off we're talking about the lowest "denominator" when referring to grandma. These people don't know a digital camera from their ass. I don't know what the hell you're trying to imply here. First of all, if "grandma" can double click the Internet Explorer icon to check her email, I'm pretty sure she can go to OfficeMax and buy a "USB digital camera". Then, with grandma's Windows XP, she plugs it into the little slot and it's installed. If you ever used Windows XP, you fucking dolt, you'd know that it immediately pops up a dialog box asking what you want to do with the pictures. Yes, that's right, no software installation necessary. Even grandma can do it. Try that with your fucking communist OS. Please provide a link to news about the FBI raiding someones house for using linux. And please provide a second source to back it up. You people are so dumb. You think just because it's open source it's illegal or stolen. Gee maybe the FBI should shut down Yahoo! It runApache on FreeBSD. Yeah, right. I'll provide you a link, and then one of you open sauce pirates will hack it. I know how you all work. Someone posts a negative article and you use your "nmap" to break into it. Yahoo shouldn't be shut down, they should be praised for helping crack down on the open sauce hackers that do this kind of thing to them. They're anti-Capitalist bastards, that's what they are. Winmodem is a term that manufacturers use. No, it's a term that 3COM used before you pirates tried to spply it to every modem that you can't figure out how to get to work. WinModem is really just half a modem -- a card with a DSP and a phone jack, but none of the usual telecommunications chips on board. Instead, it uses the system processor(s) to do all of the hard work. The catch is that it utilizes Windows-specific API calls to accomplish its task. Absolute bullshit. You know as well as I do that the communist Linix developers refuse to make drivers for these modems because they can't get around the V-Chip. Serving its purpose, the chip realizes it's being used in association with an illegal hacker OS and disables itself. The open sauce faggots can't get around it, so they claim it's a "win"modem, and thus, not their fault. Because this hardware is not operating system-agnostic, it can't be made to work under BeOS or Linux, or under any other x86 operating system, for that matter. No kidding. It has protection for all of your hacker "variations" such as Linux, Lunix, Lornix, Stallmanix, FreeBSDIX, and BeUX. They're all feeding off of their own sauce code, and the V-Chip is preventing the illegal hacker variants from stealing more of AOL and Microsoft's internet bandwidth. You likely use many electronic devices which do not use any software (even embedded) from MS. PDAs for example may utilize PalmOS, Linux or Windows Embedded or other proprietary OS. Would you tell someone not to buy a PDA because it might use PalmOS or Linux? I'd tell them to buy one of those Pocket PC 2002 PDAs that has the Pocket Internet Explorer, Pocket Word, and Pocket Windows Media Player. Imagine being able to watch your little movies on the thing, then browse the web in the greatest browser you're used to on the desktop. Simple as that. I know you hackers love the PalmOSIX because of all the illegal hacker programs you can write for it, like the ones that automatically open car doors in a parking lot, the ones that can fuck up a television with its IR port, and all sorts of other prosecutable offenses you can muster. Well, I won't stand for it, and if I see anyone with an illegal remote control like the Palm or Visor, I'm confiscating it the instant I see it.

	thank osm (none / 0) (#24)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 12:45:45 PM PST

	Now you've got another dumbass talking about modem V-chips and other idiocies. Great. Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	This is just rediculous (none / 0) (#40)
	by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 07:01:15 PM PST

	You obviously have no clue what you're talking about. It's painfully evident because firstly: There are no cases of anyone's house being raided for using Linux. It's a perfectly legal OS. secondly: A good number of OS's are open source, or semi-open source ( This is where developers pay to get required Open Source to improve their software compatability with a certain OS ). You're too foolish to realize this, which is ok, but I think you should shut your mouth. thirdly: Linux and it's variants are not hacker OS's. PALM OS is actually NOT based on Unix ( Ask Palm ). Thank you.

	Talking through your ass (5.00 / 1) (#45)
	by Yoshi on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 08:20:12 PM PST

	It's a perfectly legal OS. Yeah, right. Linix is an OS founded entirely on the principle of stealing software and music files from their rightful owners. Half of the linix itself is stolen from Microsoft's mainframes, which explains why everything that the KDE (Kommunist Desktop Entropy) system makes is stolen from Microsoft's secret codes called "APIs" (Application Pictoral Interface) that they licenced from large companies that outsource their API divisions. You thieves pirate their costly R&D efforts and the resulting products. A good number of OS's are open source, or semi-open source But the number of good open sauce OS's is slim to none. I know of none. PALM OS is actually NOT based on Unix ( Ask Palm ). I know. An established company competing in a marketplace with conscientious consumers has more than enough sense not to go the hacker UNIX route. However, much to their chagrin, the acne-faced teenagers took over and started to market their hacker programs for PalmUX. Now, it's nothing more than a renegade hacker cult tool taken from a movie. Pocket PC 2002 is the future, not the overruled script kiddy culture surrounding Palm.

	well I never thought... (none / 0) (#66)
	by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jan 14th, 2002 at 06:34:45 AM PST

	...that operating systems could actually be a source of humour. For example, check out this "hilarious" "game".

	funny (none / 0) (#70)
	by NAWL on Mon Jan 14th, 2002 at 12:45:22 PM PST

	Ever played Xbill? Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	Ugh... (none / 0) (#78)
	by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jan 15th, 2002 at 07:21:43 PM PST

	Can someone BE so foolish? I guess so... API - Application Programming Interface. It's an OS specific way of getting to the intricate and advanced sections of the OS. It's in no way Microsoft specific nor was it invented by Microsoft. KDE - K Desktop Environment or Kopernicus Desktop Environment. By the by: Linux was founded because the creator was sick of Minix. In his original post for Linux .02, he had stated that his OS was for people who were looking for a challange and a way to beat the Minix OS ( Minix is a version of Unix that's very small and rediculously stable. Unfortunately, Linux DID beat Minix, so Minix development has almost stopped ). Was it developed by Hackers? In some cases yes, but remember this was when Hacking meant you delved into Operating Systems ( which were not usually closed source. Prime examples of the first few closed source OS's were IBM's UNIX V and Hp's UNIX systems ) in order to improve it and/or create a driver ( realize, that back then Monolithic Kernels ( ones where the Drivers are built into the Kernel itself - ie: Linux ) were the only kernels around that people could use. This means decompiling and recompiling the kernel every time you change a driver. Modules weren't realistic at the time either, so Linux's method of Driver management was impossible. Monolithic Kernels are also known as Hardware-Driven OS's ). Linus decided to go Open Source to give people FUN. Realize that Linux was developed for the 'heck of it.' It was NEVER EVER EVER developed in the premise of 'making money' or 'profit.' To this day, Linus had made virtually little or no money on his system. And the reason Palm doesn't use a UNIX-based system is because it couldn't support the type of compression they desire. Palm OS1, 2 and 3 are based on MINIX though.

	good job, slight corrections (none / 0) (#79)
	by NAWL on Wed Jan 16th, 2002 at 02:57:03 AM PST

	API - Application Programming Interface. It's an OS specific way of getting to the intricate and advanced sections of the OS. It's in no way Microsoft specific nor was it invented by Microsoft. I don't believe that anyone was foolish enough to say that APIs in general were specific to or invented by Micrsoft. Prime examples of the first few closed source OS's were IBM's UNIX V and Hp's UNIX systems )... I believe you mean IBM's AIX and Hewlett-Packard's HP-UX. Unix V (as you refer to it) is better known as System V which was developed at [then] AT&T's Bell Labs. The first version to be developed outside of the Bell Labs (at UC-Berkeley) was V6 which became the basis for BSD (Berkeley Standard Distribution also referred to as Berkeley Software Distribution). Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	Little corrections (aka, Winmodems vs Linux) (5.00 / 1) (#28)
	by The Mad Scientist on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 01:54:17 PM PST

	Winmodems, despite of being in fact a crippled modem-themed joke, run under Linux. Some brands, at least. They are nicknamed Linmodems. WinModem is really just half a modem -- a card with a DSP and a phone jack, but none of the usual telecommunications chips on board. Instead, it uses the system processor(s) to do all of the hard work. The catch is that it utilizes Windows-specific API calls to accomplish its task. Little correction. Only some winmodems have DSP; the cheaper brands are nothing more than a cheap soundcard with even cheaper phone line interface, and rely on the host machine with all the signal processing (called HSP, Host Signal Processing). These... errm... models usually don't work well even in their "native environment". Winmodems don't use any specific API calls; they employ "standard" (we use Microsoft's definition of "standard" here) modem API/TAPI calls. Because this hardware is not operating system-agnostic, it can't be made to work under BeOS or Linux, or under any other x86 operating system, for that matter. It can, as shown above. Sometimes as a fullscale modem, sometimes as a phone-interfaced soundcard. Quoting from Linmodems.org: There are many applications for a Winmodem if you stop thinking of it as a modem, and start thinking of it as a telephone interface: Think telephone emulation (put the audio card into full duplex, and talk to the linmodem with it). Think telephone with a backspace key (use the linmodem to dial for you). Think smart telephone: "That line is busy. Do you want me to retry in five minutes?" Think "voice dialling". Think "soft pbx". Equip enough machines in an office for all the outside lines. Then do IP telephone inter-office, and go to a linmodem when you need an outside line. Think answering machine. Think pager interface. Your answering machine takes the call, phones your pager company and pages you). Think "contact database with integral dialler, and answering machine recognition". Think "call recording with no off-hook click". Think message detail recorder (basically a record of all time spent on the phone. Great for billing. None of these require more CPU than a 386. Feel free to experiment. You can also build your own telephone interface circuits. I should try to play with it again...

	As a telecomms engineer... (none / 0) (#34)
	by because it isnt on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 04:47:04 PM PST

	I can authoritively state that Linux is doing people a favour by not accepting "Win" modems. These are not modems at all, but cheap DSPs glued to a PC card. The essential compliance with telecomms standards is recklessly left to software. Not only that, but it's the general purpose user-oriented operating system Windows being used, instead of a proper RTOS like Vertex or pSOS. If you find anyone with a "Win" modem, help improve their computer by throwing this "modem" in the bin and buying a real modem instead. You will also find that the only thing Linux hackers are using "Win" modems for is to play 2600Hz tones at us, and other inept attempts to hack their line card. I mean, come on guys, in-band signalling is so 1970s. adequacy.org -- because it isn't

	Spoken like one who knows (none / 0) (#64)
	by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jan 14th, 2002 at 04:20:48 AM PST

	You can make up acronyms to your heart's content, but your fallacious arguments have no place here on Adequacy. In case you hadn't noticed, the telecomms industry lives by acronyms. If you don't believe me, try making a phone call without DTMF'ing your RCU (or PBX) with PCM. I realise that because you are attacking me personally with this "troll" epiphet, and not attacking my argument, you have already lost. I would return the compliment, given your errant "V-Chip" ramblings, but you probably do think they're real. Perhaps the revelation came to you in a drug-induced vision.

	Dear Anonymous Reader, (none / 0) (#67)
	by Martino Cortez PhD on Mon Jan 14th, 2002 at 07:08:20 AM PST

	Again, you are making stuff up. Acronyms such as "PBX" "Pheakers Branch eXchange", DTMF "Dont Touch My Fone" and PCM "Pheakers Cracker Manual" are all secret codes used by malicious hackers. Much like drug dealers will make up "codes" to conceal their illegal activities, so do the hackers. No real telephone person I have had wine with will use such foul language. -- Dr Martino Cortez, PhD CEO - Martin-Cortez Financial Corporation Copyright © 2002, Martino Cortez.

	Oops :p (none / 0) (#81)
	by Anonymous Reader on Wed Jan 16th, 2002 at 04:03:40 PM PST

	Yeah, I always get those UNIX distributions mixed up ( which is really bad anyways ), but I never use 'em anyways so that's probably why.

	what (none / 0) (#80)
	by Anonymous Reader on Wed Jan 16th, 2002 at 03:01:28 PM PST

	v-chips go in new TV's dude. they limit what your kid watches. maybe you should get one; obviously you're watching the wrong channels. why the hell do most of the people on this site make up totally nonsense stuff like some v-chip in winmodems limiting their use to windows? as already posted by other people, there are workarounds for winmodems. people ARE writing drivers for them for linux. winmodems CAN be used in linux, when the proper drivers are written for them. don't say that "oh haha, you need drivers in linux", cuz um, you need drivers for winmodems in windows, too... don't tell me my punctuation, grammar, spelling, or anything else needs improvement, work on your own flaws first.

	Re: feeding the trolls (none / 0) (#84)
	by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jan 21st, 2002 at 09:27:50 AM PST

	Yoshi, great post. I just think you should make your subject lines a little more descriptive ... some people simply don't get it .... but I guess that's why it is such fun ...

	yet another troll making up "facts"... (5.00 / 1) (#49)
	by Yoshi on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 08:46:56 PM PST

	Like I said, Linix is only claiming that they don't support "win"modems because they can't get around the V-Chip protection. Everything else on their hacker OS, they've managed to crack, like the DeCSS (Decrypting Content Subscription Service) so they don't have to pay DirecTV for satellite television anymore. They just hook it up to their hacked TV tuner card and Linix pirates the rest. You felons have already figured out how to steal music from the starving artists. Well, I hope you're happy now. These are... cheap DSPs* glued to a PC card. [...] Not only that, but it's... Windows..., instead of... RTOS like VERTEX or pSOS.* You can make up acronyms to your heart's content, but your fallacious arguments have no place here on Adequacy. Making up information like you just did is a red flag for trolling, and is something that every editor here at Adequacy.org should take notice of. You are doing no one a favor by attempting to mask your inept knowledge of modems with misleading claims and trivial data, so keep it out of here.

	Incoming Transmission (none / 0) (#65)
	by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jan 14th, 2002 at 06:30:10 AM PST

	"Houston we have a moron." Ooooh Windows XP supports Raw Sockets! Its like sushi!

	Linux and Vaporware (none / 0) (#2)
	by MessiahWWKD on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 12:17:45 AM PST

	That's where Internet Computers come in. Apple really hasn't gone for the dumbed down idiot boxes. Perhaps you've never heard of a Mac. The other offering is OEone's Internet Computer. The link you posted was fake. What is it with you Luddites and vaporware? Even if it somehow isn't vaporware, which I highly doubt, I also doubt that it will be compatible with 90% of the Internet unless it uses a Mozilla, in which case, it will be extremely slow. Linux is for people who think having an OS with color is bloated. Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end.

	here's the link (none / 0) (#4)
	by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 12:44:26 AM PST

	Link here Besides, there were a couple of links in the review (bottom of the diary entry stupid). Did you bother to read it? After reading your post, apparently not. Also I think you mean the iMac. They aren't dumbed down. They include most everything that the PowerMacs do. Do a little comparing next time.

	Oxymoron (none / 0) (#60)
	by MessiahWWKD on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 10:44:52 PM PST

	Power Mac is such an oxymoron. Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end.

	Nothing is sacred to you hackers, is it? (none / 0) (#5)
	by osm on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 02:23:17 AM PST

	My grandmother doesn't lock herself in her bedroom, popping zits all over her monitor, her brain frying to a crisp in her skull due to excessive dosages of LSD while trying to hack into Microsoft's miniframe. Therefore, my grandmother would have no use for your dubious "operating system" and IP thieving ways. And why should you want my grandmother using your illegal program? Possibly so you can covertly install spy software on her system and decode her AOL account information so you can get free online time to commit your crimes? So, tell us, "NAWL", how many systems have you hacked into this week? How many MP3s have you illegally downloaded? How many IP tokens have you plucked out of thin air and diverted to some subversive cause? Honestly, I don't know why I bothered to read your textual defecation, with which you consistently insist on soiling this message board.

	sure (none / 0) (#8)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 03:53:51 AM PST

	ok, I'll do that. But you must explain to me what the hell an IP token is supposed to be and provide links to back it up. In other try not to make shit up like you usually do. Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	Dear NAWL sir, (5.00 / 1) (#22)
	by Martino Cortez PhD on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 11:20:40 AM PST

	What makes you think AOL will disclose their secret IP token system? You probably know how it works because you illegally hacked into AOL. -- Dr Martino Cortez, PhD CEO - Martin-Cortez Financial Corporation Copyright © 2002, Martino Cortez.

	This is old (5.00 / 1) (#35)
	by osm on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 04:56:24 PM PST

	But you must explain to me what the hell an IP token is supposed to be AGAIN?? What, are you autistic or something? In other try not to make shit up like you usually do. Blah, blah, blah. We both know I am right and you are wrong. Your pathetic attempt to fool the readers here into using your hacker software is getting old. You are seriously in jeapordy of bringing the forces of the Justice Department upon yourself.

	oh well then (none / 0) (#38)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 06:51:44 PM PST

	Well if you're right then you should have no problem finding multiple sources and providing links to technical websites to prove it. Yes please do. I so wanna know what IP swapping entails. What token IPs are. How a V-Chip reads a modems ROM to reveal hackers. I would love to see a link that proves MS invented token ring. You see I can provided 100+ links that show you're an idiot. I can link you to the MS website to show you are an idiot. You have shit knowledge and I'm supposed to take your word for it? Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	Actually, I'm kinda wondering: (none / 0) (#42)
	by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 07:13:40 PM PST

	I've never seen any post to what exactly an IP Token is. I'm new here & stuff so I'm kinda wondering where you guys found this. I'm gonna also ask a netowrking friend of mine who works for a company in downtown chicago and another friend of mine who works for the ISP Sun Services ( I believe that's what it's called ) about this.

	here you go (none / 0) (#47)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 08:43:17 PM PST

	Here's a link to the story. Most of the idiocy can be found in his comments. osm is a dumbass who gets off on things like anthrax cases in Kansas City. I really hope this doesn't mean he's from KC. Why? I live in the KC Metro Area. Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	Wow.. (none / 0) (#77)
	by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jan 15th, 2002 at 07:09:01 PM PST

	That's the biggest load of crap I've ever read in my life...

	Liar (5.00 / 1) (#44)
	by osm on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 07:55:44 PM PST

	You have provided nothing but hacked links which attempt to install illegal software on my internet browser. I, on the other hand, have provided the readership with valuable knowledge with which they may arm themselves against the crusading pirate hackers you represent. You are obviously a lonely teen, probably stoned for Jesus on acid. Nevertheless, you have violated several sections of the DMCA and are, no doubt, in the crosshairs of the Justice Department.

	good one (none / 0) (#46)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 08:32:00 PM PST

	You have provided nothing but hacked links which attempt to install illegal software on my internet browser. Really? So the links which point to the MS website are BS? I think you're just to stupid to admit you have no clue what you're talking about. Why don't you try going to the MS knowledge base (MS Technet) and look up all that crap. You won't find it. I, on the other hand, have provided the readership with valuable knowledge with which they may arm themselves against the crusading pirate hackers you represent. With a bunch of made up crap? Hardly. You are obviously a lonely teen, probably stoned for Jesus on acid. Nevertheless, you have violated several sections of the DMCA and are, no doubt, in the crosshairs of the Justice Department That makes sense. I am a teen grandfather with kids out of college? Which sections of the DMCA did I violate? You guys love to site the DMCA but really don't know squat about it. Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

	NAWL: The Father of Lies (5.00 / 1) (#48)
	by osm on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 08:43:39 PM PST

	Really? So the links which point to the MS website are BS? Every link you have provided has crashed Internet Explorer. Further investigations on my part have come to the conclusion it was due to the fact that you had hacked the links to install illegal software on my computer. With a bunch of made up crap? Hardly. Yeah, you keep saying that but, magically, can't prove it. Fortunately most readers of this site are far too intelligent to believe your lies. That makes sense. I am a teen grandfather with kids out of college? "pissoff@screwU.net"??? "http://www.tigbitties.com"??? And you expect me to believe you are old enough to be a grandfather??! Please. Which sections of the DMCA did I violate? You guys love to site the DMCA but really don't know squat about it. The DMCA strictly forbids you from violating our TOS by accessing this site using illegal software. So put that in your pipe and smoke it, "gramps".

	not again, round and round (none / 0) (#53)
	by NAWL on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 09:14:38 PM PST

	Yeah, you keep saying that but, magically, can't prove it. Fortunately most readers of this site are far too intelligent to believe your lies. Funny, I provide a bunch of working links (which I can access using IE, something must be wrong with your install). Yet you provide *NOTHING* but a bunch of "I said it so it's true. I am the big idiot osm, believe me!" Fact is you have *NEVER* provided any proof. Now what you got? "pissoff@screwU.net"??? "http://www.tigbitties.com"??? Where did I put that? Oh, I know. In the test box marked FAKE EMAIL. The website is just for fun. The DMCA strictly forbids you from violating our TOS by accessing this site using illegal software. Have you actually bothered to read the DMCA? I have. Can you post the section that mentions this? Thought not. *PROVE IT* Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?